Re: Elvis vinyl related discussion

[colonel snow]

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colonel snow

[colonel snow]

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colonel snow

[Bilbobaggins]

Today I got some nice old UK mono vinyl. At about €3,- a piece I couldn't resist, of course. A couple of the sleeves have had a bumpy life and the LP's gathered quite some dust, but after an afternoon of attention and a good cleaning, they look and sound fine again. I'm amazed again how good these more than 60 years old records still sound.

One thing I noticed was that, especially some 50's songs, sound quite different than how they sound on other (US, German etc) pressings. The mastering/EQ is very different to my ears. I looked around on the internet and read somewhere that, in the 50's a d 60's, British sound-engineers used to emphasize on midtones more than bass tones remastering the tracks. The reason would be that British recordplayers were less "bassy" than US sets. I don't know if that's true, but the difference in (mono) sound is obvious to me.

Maybe a (British) vinyl collector on this board can shed some light on this? Did they indeed master them differently? And for what reason?

BTW...These are my new "buddies":

Elvis' Golden Records, UK 1958, mono


Elvis' Golden Records Volume 2, UK 1960, mono


A Date With Elvis, UK 1959, mono


Elvis Is Back, UK 1960, mono


GI Blues, UK 1960, mono


I'm happy with these oldies!

The UK 'Elvis is back' mono version is my ultimate favorite pressing of my ultimate favorite record.
It's so good, has the punch, the sound, it has everything and more.
At the price you paid for these, it's a steal!

It sure is a nice version. Listening to records like these I can understand why Elvis preferred mono sound. Although, most of the time, I prefer (true and original) stereo.

[Colin.Bee]

Very nice find. Does your Red Seal version of Golden Records have the gatefold sleeve and if so how many pages of photos does it have?

Yes, it does have the gatefold sleeve. It has 8 pages of photo's, not counting the inner sleeve photo. Quite similar to the photobook in the original "Elvis Christmas Album" but with partly different photo's.

I have it with a standard non gatefold sleeve and a copy with four pages of photos, so I’m guessing that the other four pages have come out over the years

[Bilbobaggins]

Very nice find. Does your Red Seal version of Golden Records have the gatefold sleeve and if so how many pages of photos does it have?

Yes, it does have the gatefold sleeve. It has 8 pages of photo's, not counting the inner sleeve photo. Quite similar to the photobook in the original "Elvis Christmas Album" but with partly different photo's.

I have it with a standard non gatefold sleeve and a copy with four pages of photos, so I’m guessing that the other four pages have come out over the years

This is the one I have:

https://www.discogs.com/release/1212062 ... en-Records

Maybe you can check here what you might be missing in your copy....

[Colin.Bee]

Very nice find. Does your Red Seal version of Golden Records have the gatefold sleeve and if so how many pages of photos does it have?

Yes, it does have the gatefold sleeve. It has 8 pages of photo's, not counting the inner sleeve photo. Quite similar to the photobook in the original "Elvis Christmas Album" but with partly different photo's.

I have it with a standard non gatefold sleeve and a copy with four pages of photos, so I’m guessing that the other four pages have come out over the years

This is the one I have:

https://www.discogs.com/release/1212062 ... en-Records

Maybe you can check here what you might be missing in your copy....

Thank you, I will check when I get back home.

[AfoolSuchAsI.]

Hi i watching on youtube more Elvis vloggers as 100 procent Elvis from UK he is fantastic . He showing a lot of vinyls .
Sincerely Elvis shean is a great vlogger too speciale with books and concerts information .
And David from Japan is a specialist for Japan releases.
And Hidden minds for footage s .
Who is youre favorite YouTuber for vinyls and more ?

[JohanD]

Hi i watching on youtube more Elvis vloggers as 100 procent Elvis from UK he is fantastic . He showing a lot of vinyls .
Sincerely Elvis shean is a great vlogger too speciale with books and concerts information .
And David from Japan is a specialist for Japan releases.
And Hidden minds for footage s .
Who is youre favorite YouTuber for vinyls and more ?

I higly recomended my friend from Belgium with this great chanell.
Ii's a bit of everything, but the vinyls are the higlights.
Above that, David is a really nice guy, very down to earth and has an amazing collection.
https://www.youtube.com/@DavidHuletlevensgoesting

[Alexander72]

Great to see so many vinyl lovers reunited over here. Took me a while to find this place.
Last month I had my birthday and my dear wife does not know me what to give, so I'll take care of my own birthday present
The present was a dream come true: finally I own a copy of the Original Elvis' Christmas Album from New-Zealand. I have been told this is a reissue from 1962 but in beautiful shape.

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Today I got some nice old UK mono vinyl. At about €3,- a piece I couldn't resist, of course. A couple of the sleeves have had a bumpy life and the LP's gathered quite some dust, but after an afternoon of attention and a good cleaning, they look and sound fine again. I'm amazed again how good these more than 60 years old records still sound.

One thing I noticed was that, especially some 50's songs, sound quite different than how they sound on other (US, German etc) pressings. The mastering/EQ is very different to my ears. I looked around on the internet and read somewhere that, in the 50's a d 60's, British sound-engineers used to emphasize on midtones more than bass tones remastering the tracks. The reason would be that British recordplayers were less "bassy" than US sets. I don't know if that's true, but the difference in (mono) sound is obvious to me.

Maybe a (British) vinyl collector on this board can shed some light on this? Did they indeed master them differently? And for what reason?

BTW...These are my new "buddies":

Elvis' Golden Records, UK 1958, mono


Elvis' Golden Records Volume 2, UK 1960, mono


A Date With Elvis, UK 1959, mono


Elvis Is Back, UK 1960, mono


GI Blues, UK 1960, mono


I'm happy with these oldies!

Excellent catch: all late 50s, early 60s originals (Golden Records is a early 60s reissue as the first issue came with a booklet) on Black Label Silver Spot.

Hi i watching on youtube more Elvis vloggers as 100 procent Elvis from UK he is fantastic . He showing a lot of vinyls .
Sincerely Elvis shean is a great vlogger too speciale with books and concerts information .
And David from Japan is a specialist for Japan releases.
And Hidden minds for footage s .
Who is youre favorite YouTuber for vinyls and more ?

You may want to try my channel Your Elvis Guide on which I upload videos on Elvis vinyl quite regularly.

[JohanD]

Great to see you here too Alexander!!

[Bilbobaggins]

Oh yes, that's a very nice Christmas Album! And beautiful artwork. A good present you bought yourself.

These old vinyl releases are great! No CD can compete with that!

[Alexander72]

To pick up an 'old habit'

These are the various US pressings/ label variations of Roustabout through the years (until 1978), some of which are very hard to find.

In 1964, RCA switched to a new label design: the Black Label White Top (a black label with RCA Victor in white lettering on the top). The plants in Hollywood (second run), Indianapolis, and Rockaway (first run) then pressed the album with the correct label: the so-called "Black Label, White Top." Pictured are both the monaural (LPM) and stereo (LSP) versions.

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The Hollywood pressing plant likely didn't get the memo and pressed the first batch on the Silver Mono and Silver Stereo labels, which had previously been used for the first pressings of Fun In Acapulco and Kissin' Cousins. The Roustabout Silver Stereo pressing is particularly rare and can fetch $500-600 (in the condition pictured), while the Silver Mono would fetch around $150.

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In the fall of 1968, RCA switched to the Orange label, discontinuing the monaural (mono) version of each album: from 1968 onward, RCA pressed only stereo (LSP) records, and mono was phased out. Since RCA had pressed a large number of Roustabout albums in 1964 (#1 album, which meant high demand) and the record company likely still had a considerable amount of stock, only a very small number of Orange-labeled albums (on rigid vinyl) were pressed in 1968. Due to its limited run, the Roustabout Orange Rigid is even harder to find than the Silver Stereo, although the Orange Rigid is considerably less valuable (around €250).

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[Alexander72]

In 1971, RCA switched to flexible vinyl (Dynaflex), and the Black Label White Top and Orange Rigid were likely sold out by then, as the 1971 Orange Flex was pressed in significant numbers and is relatively easy to find. RCA had printed a large number of stereo sleeves (with old logos) in the 1960s. They continued using these until 1976, when they had to reprint them, and the new sleeves were given the modern RCA logo.

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The relatively high number of copies pressed in 1971 meant that only a small number were reprinted in 1975 (when RCA switched to the Tan label). Roustabout's Tan label is therefore rare (though not as rare as the pressings on Orange Rigid or Silver Stereo).

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In the summer of 1976, RCA switched to the Black Label Dog Near Top, on which the albums Welcome To My World and Moody Blue were released. Roustabout also received a re-release on this label, with a large number of copies pressed immediately after Elvis's death in August to meet the massive demand for Elvis records.

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In the fall of 1977, RCA decided to adjust the matrix numbering of the Elvis LPs. All albums in the catalog were now required to be prefixed AFL1 instead of LSP. This brought the entire catalog in line with Elvis's most recent hit album, Moody Blue (AFL1-2434). Roustabout was now numbered AFL1-2999. Many previously printed copies of LSP 2999 on Black Label Dog Near Top had a sticker on the sleeve with the new matrix number, but RCA also pressed a small run with the modified AFL1 prefix on the sleeve and label.

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These "real" AFL1 versions (i.e., not stickered but with the modified matrix number on the sleeve and label) are increasingly sought after by collectors and are rapidly increasing in value because they are so hard to find.
Happy hunting!

[Bilbobaggins]

Now that is a nice collection of US Roustabouts! I have mainly German and UK pressings. This is the only US Roustabout in my vinyl collection, a 2003 pressing:

Btw... keep these vinyl posts coming!

[Bilbobaggins]

In your opinion, Alexander72, what pressing of all those you've shown, has the best sound?

[Alexander72]

Now that is a nice collection of US Roustabouts! I have mainly German and UK pressings. This is the only US Roustabout in my vinyl collection, a 2003 pressing:

These red 2003 releases were issued in a box set. Do you have the 2 complete box sets?
I don't. Missed out on that in 2003 and now quite expensive to acquire.

In your opinion, Alexander72, what pressing of all those you've shown, has the best sound?

Although I do enjoy playing each and every record in my collection, I have never played any of these in a comparison mode so I could not tell. In fact, I was quite surprised when you and other contributors published their comparison analysis months ago on the collapsed FECC. Surprised because of some insights I never noticed before. In case of the Roustabout and if forced to choose a playing copy, then I would pick the 1964 White Top Stereo. Not because I believe the sound is better, but in case of damage it would be the easiest to replace. Second playing copy would be the 1981 UK Release on green RCA International label (INTS 5110). I have earlier UK (Red Spot) and German (V3 label) as well but never compared audio quality to the US releases.

[Bilbobaggins]

Now that is a nice collection of US Roustabouts! I have mainly German and UK pressings. This is the only US Roustabout in my vinyl collection, a 2003 pressing:

These red 2003 releases were issued in a box set. Do you have the 2 complete box sets?
I don't. Missed out on that in 2003 and now quite expensive to acquire.

In your opinion, Alexander72, what pressing of all those you've shown, has the best sound?

Although I do enjoy playing each and every record in my collection, I have never played any of these in a comparison mode so I could not tell. In fact, I was quite surprised when you and other contributors published their comparison analysis months ago on the collapsed FECC. Surprised because of some insights I never noticed before. In case of the Roustabout and if forced to choose a playing copy, then I would pick the 1964 White Top Stereo. Not because I believe the sound is better, but in case of damage it would be the easiest to replace. Second playing copy would be the 1981 UK Release on green RCA International label (INTS 5110). I have earlier UK (Red Spot) and German (V3 label) but never compared audio quality to the US releases.

No, I don't have the original box sets. They are on my wishlist, no doubt, but they indeed are too expensive by now. I bought this record as a 'stand-alone'. I was under the impression that these records were also released, single, outside the box. But I guess I'm mistaken.

Anyhow, this record sounds very, very good. It is my favorite pressing, followed by my 1966 Teldec pressing and the Music On Vinyl pressings.

[Bilbobaggins]

Elvis' Golden Records, UK 1958, mono
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Excellent catch: all late 50s, early 60s originals (Golden Records is a early 60s reissue as the first issue came with a booklet) on Black Label Silver Spot.

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Are you sure Golden Records is a early 60s reissue? It does have the 8 page booklet and according to several sources ( including https://www.elvisukvinyl.co.uk/rca-rd-27088-33rpm and discogs) it is a 1958 pressing.

[colonel snow]

It’s a nice collection with different “Roustabout” albums as released through the years. Personally I don’t need a different cover and/or pressing with the same tracks. I don’t care about label variations on albums from those years.


colonel snow

[Bilbobaggins]

It’s a nice collection with different “Roustabout” albums as released through the years. Personally I don’t need a different cover and/or pressing with the same tracks. I don’t care about label variations on albums from those years.


colonel snow

No problem, one likes different pressings and label variations, the other likes photo's, and anothther likes filmscripts, acetatelabels etc. To each his own. That's the fun of collecting whatever one prefers.