New FTD Vinyl - Good Times Re-Issue

[AfoolSuchAsI.]

Hi fan 61' yes youre right the same songs was on the golden Moody Blue as the first FTD Moody Blue same as Today this one .i agree with some releases .

[Alexander72]

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Releases like these are the reason I have abandoned collecting FTD vinyls quite some years ago now. This release is just about milking the market.

Hi Alexander,
I know you point , but is Camden not the same and with Christmas releases also did . This FTD release is more for new fans or they has missed in the past .
The same what more fanclubs do is rerelease on coloured lp s is also milk cows boogie lol

The problem I have with this is that FTD is not just repressing the vinyls for new fans who missed out the first time. Instead, FTD offers the same music but in new packaging so that completists will have to rebuy the vinyls again to keep their collections up to date. That's utter non-sense. It is a business model, and it is their good right, but the way FTD commercializes collecting their vinyls, made them lose any attraction to me. This hasn't anything to do with collecting, which for me is more about hunting down/ finding "witnesses" of the past, to add these finds to my collection and to research and share the stories these items carry. Collecting for me is not just buying all the stuff my Elvis budget can buy me. That's where I lost FTD.

[Sweet-Angeline]

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Releases like these are the reason I have abandoned collecting FTD vinyls quite some years ago now. This release is just about milking the market.

Hi Alexander,
I know you point , but is Camden not the same and with Christmas releases also did . This FTD release is more for new fans or they has missed in the past .
The same what more fanclubs do is rerelease on coloured lp s is also milk cows boogie lol

The problem I have with this is that FTD is not just repressing the vinyls for new fans who missed out the first time. Instead, FTD offers the same music but in new packaging so that completists will have to rebuy the vinyls again to keep their collections up to date. That's utter non-sense. It is a business model, and it is their good right, but the way FTD commercializes collecting their vinyls, made them lose any attraction to me. This hasn't anything to do with collecting, which for me is more about hunting down/ finding "witnesses" of the past, to add these finds to my collection and to research and share the stories these items carry. Collecting for me is not just buying all the stuff my Elvis budget can buy me. That's where I lost FTD.

I see your point, but just imagine if they re-released exact duplicates of the originals I could see many being pissed by that move as well (especially the people who have the originals). This way the originals still hold their current value in some fashion (check out this one on discogs crazy prices it has sold for) but I still get your point Alexander

[FanFrom'61]

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Releases like these are the reason I have abandoned collecting FTD vinyls quite some years ago now. This release is just about milking the market.

Hi Alexander,
I know you point , but is Camden not the same and with Christmas releases also did . This FTD release is more for new fans or they has missed in the past .
The same what more fanclubs do is rerelease on coloured lp s is also milk cows boogie lol

The problem I have with this is that FTD is not just repressing the vinyls for new fans who missed out the first time. Instead, FTD offers the same music but in new packaging so that completists will have to rebuy the vinyls again to keep their collections up to date. That's utter non-sense. It is a business model, and it is their good right, but the way FTD commercializes collecting their vinyls, made them lose any attraction to me. This hasn't anything to do with collecting, which for me is more about hunting down/ finding "witnesses" of the past, to add these finds to my collection and to research and share the stories these items carry. Collecting for me is not just buying all the stuff my Elvis budget can buy me. That's where I lost FTD.

And didn’t Ernst say that he would not agree with putting out albums that had a small thing on offer so that collectors were forced to pay for a complete album just to get it. What we have here is the same music on the same album but with a new sleeve and on coloured vinyl so that completists have to buy yet again. He knows that, otherwise he wouldn’t be getting 3,500 copies pressed. If he wanted to look after fans who did not get the original, he could have simply re-issued the album like it was when originally released. He could even release it with the same catalogue number with RE as a suffix to differentiate from the original.

[Sweet-Angeline]

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Releases like these are the reason I have abandoned collecting FTD vinyls quite some years ago now. This release is just about milking the market.

Hi Alexander,
I know you point , but is Camden not the same and with Christmas releases also did . This FTD release is more for new fans or they has missed in the past .
The same what more fanclubs do is rerelease on coloured lp s is also milk cows boogie lol

The problem I have with this is that FTD is not just repressing the vinyls for new fans who missed out the first time. Instead, FTD offers the same music but in new packaging so that completists will have to rebuy the vinyls again to keep their collections up to date. That's utter non-sense. It is a business model, and it is their good right, but the way FTD commercializes collecting their vinyls, made them lose any attraction to me. This hasn't anything to do with collecting, which for me is more about hunting down/ finding "witnesses" of the past, to add these finds to my collection and to research and share the stories these items carry. Collecting for me is not just buying all the stuff my Elvis budget can buy me. That's where I lost FTD.

And didn’t Ernst say that he would not agree with putting out albums that had a small thing on offer so that collectors were forced to pay for a complete album just to get it. What we have here is the same music on the same album but with a new sleeve and on coloured vinyl so that completists have to buy yet again. He knows that, otherwise he wouldn’t be getting 3,500 copies pressed. If he wanted to look after fans who did not get the original, he could have simply re-issued the album like it was when originally released. He could even release it with the same catalogue number with RE as a suffix to differentiate from the original.

I think that move would still reduce the current value of some of these originals.

[FanFrom'61]

Releases like these are the reason I have abandoned collecting FTD vinyls quite some years ago now. This release is just about milking the market.

Which is disappointing given there are other albums that are yet to be released... with 3500 be pressed, I can see this one hanging around on dealer shelves for a very long time. Dealers are still carrying "Raised On Rock" from 2021 and I don't think they pressed more than 2000 of those...

Exactly - if Ernst sends out a hype message that 3,500 copies are a Limited Edition, what would that make one’s pressed with much fewer copies. "Super Rare Limited edition"?

[Sweet-Angeline]

...it`s one of those topics where I can see both sides, but there is good solid arguments against it here.

[On Tape 1972]

...it`s one of those topics where I can see both sides, but there is good solid arguments against it here.

So you're not buying it?

[Sweet-Angeline]

...it`s one of those topics where I can see both sides, but there is good solid arguments against it here.

So you're not buying it?

I have it on order already...but I am seriously thinking about selling my original copy now I have all 50 FTD vinyl 51 when HS arrives

[FanFrom'61]

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Releases like these are the reason I have abandoned collecting FTD vinyls quite some years ago now. This release is just about milking the market.

Hi Alexander,
I know you point , but is Camden not the same and with Christmas releases also did . This FTD release is more for new fans or they has missed in the past .
The same what more fanclubs do is rerelease on coloured lp s is also milk cows boogie lol

The problem I have with this is that FTD is not just repressing the vinyls for new fans who missed out the first time. Instead, FTD offers the same music but in new packaging so that completists will have to rebuy the vinyls again to keep their collections up to date. That's utter non-sense. It is a business model, and it is their good right, but the way FTD commercializes collecting their vinyls, made them lose any attraction to me. This hasn't anything to do with collecting, which for me is more about hunting down/ finding "witnesses" of the past, to add these finds to my collection and to research and share the stories these items carry. Collecting for me is not just buying all the stuff my Elvis budget can buy me. That's where I lost FTD.

And didn’t Ernst say that he would not agree with putting out albums that had a small thing on offer so that collectors were forced to pay for a complete album just to get it. What we have here is the same music on the same album but with a new sleeve and on coloured vinyl so that completists have to buy yet again. He knows that, otherwise he wouldn’t be getting 3,500 copies pressed. If he wanted to look after fans who did not get the original, he could have simply re-issued the album like it was when originally released. He could even release it with the same catalogue number with RE as a suffix to differentiate from the original.

I think that move would still reduce the current value of some of these originals.

I think we are coming out of the timeframe where quite a few collectors want to plug a few holes in their FTD vinyl collection because they started late, and are willing to pay biggish money to plug those holes, so I feel that prices of those originals will start dropping anyhow with less demand as those holes get plugged. When FTD started pressing vinyl, they were doing numbers like three or four thousand per release, but that has dropped off as interest has decreased to around 50% of that number…maybe even less.
With those holes plugged by collectors who started a couple of years late, I don’t see a second generation coming along who would be willing to pay high prices to start a collection or even consider starting a collection in the first place. If there was new demand from new collectors and fans, then FTD would be upping the numbers on all their new releases instead of reducing the numbers. What I see here is FTD attempting to tap into the existing collector base, plus those who have a few FTD vinyls, have drifted away, but fancy buying something like this, as it is a bit different because it is pressed on coloured vinyl with a new sleeve.

I get a feeling that we have arrived at the peak of collectors buying re-issued product with a few hooks that encourage a purchase from existing collectors and if we haven’t, I think it is pretty close. I know Apple/Universal have suddenly felt a backlash at trying to bleed Beatles collectors because of the way they have handled a recent release announcement in an attempt to get their fans to buy the same product again, just to get a new album of unreleased recordings.

[Johnny2523]

I have the original ftd lp.. i don't need this reissue. I also find it rather expensive for a product that initially was also released with gorgeous inner sleeves.. but now you pay more for less.

[Sweet-Angeline]

I have the original ftd lp.. i don't need this reissue. I also find it rather expensive for a product that initially was also released with gorgeous inner sleeves.. but now you pay more for less.

which is the very reason I have not decided whether to part with it or not

[rockinrebel]

I didn't buy the original, as I've never really collected FTD vinyl. I did pick a few up out of curiosity, but I always considered them overpriced, and RCA pressings from back in the day have always held more appeal for me. They are the real pieces of history.

That said, I have been tempted by a few of these recent reissues, although I haven't caved and bought one since the blue vinyl version of FEPBMT. I would certainly buy Standing Room Only, as I regretted not buying that one the first time around, and as different titles resonate with different collectors, I wouldn't bet against FTD continuing this policy during the years to come.

Of course this may keep the label ticking over for a little longer, now that we've approached the bottom of the barrel in terms of new material, but I can see why some fans would consider this to be cynical. Particularly if having a complete FTD collection is still important to you. For me, however, that ship sailed some time ago.

[FanFrom'61]

I didn't buy the original, as I've never really collected FTD vinyl. I did pick a few up out of curiosity, but I always considered them overpriced, and RCA pressings from back in the day have always held more appeal for me. They are the real pieces of history.

That said, I have been tempted by a few of these recent reissues, although I haven't caved and bought one since the blue vinyl version of FEPBMT. I would certainly buy Standing Room Only, as I regretted not buying that one the first time around, and as different titles resonate with different collectors, I wouldn't bet against FTD continuing this policy during the years to come.

Of course this may keep the label ticking over for a little longer, now that we've approached the bottom of the barrel in terms of new material, but I can see why some fans would consider this to be cynical. Particularly if having a complete FTD collection is important to you. For me, however, that ship sailed some time ago.

Apparently, they are looking to release another five titles from earlier releases. I’d be surprised if FTD carry on beyond 2027.

[LesterB]

I have the original ftd lp.. i don't need this reissue. I also find it rather expensive for a product that initially was also released with gorgeous inner sleeves.. but now you pay more for less.

do you also think its one of the poorer sounding FTD vinyls?

[Johnny2523]

I have the original ftd lp.. i don't need this reissue. I also find it rather expensive for a product that initially was also released with gorgeous inner sleeves.. but now you pay more for less.

do you also think its one of the poorer sounding FTD vinyls?

Sounded fine to me when i last played it. But in all honesty i don't think the sound on the good times ftd itself is all that great either. They're the same music files on two different mediums.

[On Tape 1972]

...it`s one of those topics where I can see both sides, but there is good solid arguments against it here.

So you're not buying it?

I have it on order already...but I am seriously thinking about selling my original copy now I have all 50 FTD vinyl 51 when HS arrives

Don't. I initially sold mine in 2012 and bought it again years later at a ****** huge markup Plus there might not be printed inner sleeves this time around.

I also have it on preorder now. Let's support this thing while we can.

[NinaFromCanadaEh]

Elvis fans are too often resold and resold the same material

[Alexander72]

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Releases like these are the reason I have abandoned collecting FTD vinyls quite some years ago now. This release is just about milking the market.

Hi Alexander,
I know you point , but is Camden not the same and with Christmas releases also did . This FTD release is more for new fans or they has missed in the past .
The same what more fanclubs do is rerelease on coloured lp s is also milk cows boogie lol

The problem I have with this is that FTD is not just repressing the vinyls for new fans who missed out the first time. Instead, FTD offers the same music but in new packaging so that completists will have to rebuy the vinyls again to keep their collections up to date. That's utter non-sense. It is a business model, and it is their good right, but the way FTD commercializes collecting their vinyls, made them lose any attraction to me. This hasn't anything to do with collecting, which for me is more about hunting down/ finding "witnesses" of the past, to add these finds to my collection and to research and share the stories these items carry. Collecting for me is not just buying all the stuff my Elvis budget can buy me. That's where I lost FTD.

I see your point, but just imagine if they re-released exact duplicates of the originals I could see many being pissed by that move as well (especially the people who have the originals). This way the originals still hold their current value in some fashion (check out this one on discogs crazy prices it has sold for) but I still get your point Alexander

Yeah, why not just do a repress to meet demand so every collector who missed out can still buy the album?
Many collectors are now drawn to FTD vinyl due to its limited availability and the high prices sellers charge on eBay, which artificially inflate the records. FTD is deliberately capitalizing on this, but one day that market will collapse. As far as I'm concerned, it's an unsustainable commercial bubble. I hear increasingly often that collectors skip releases.
FTD is deliberately changing the design of the album to encourage as many collectors as possible to buy the exact same content again. What's next? Issue the next FTD vinyl in 4 different couloured record sets: "Collect them all!"
I find the whole thing questionable. Anyway, there will always be an audience who wants to keep their FTD collection complete, and ultimately, everyone must decide for themselves. I used to be a FTD completist, but I've lost interest. It has become too much of a circus. But that's my opinion ofcourse.

Off-topic: isn't it great to discuss new releases like this again? I missed that.

[On Tape 1972]

Yeah, why not just do a repress to meet demand so every collector who missed out can still buy the album?
Many collectors are now drawn to FTD vinyl due to its limited availability and the high prices sellers charge on eBay, which artificially inflate the records. FTD is deliberately capitalizing on this, but one day that market will collapse. As far as I'm concerned, it's an unsustainable commercial bubble. I hear increasingly often that collectors skip releases.
FTD is deliberately changing the design of the album to encourage as many collectors as possible to buy the exact same content again. What's next? Issue the next FTD vinyl in 4 different couloured record sets: "Collect them all!"
I find the whole thing questionable. Anyway, there will always be an audience who wants to keep their FTD collection complete, and ultimately, everyone must decide for themselves. I used to be a FTD completist, but I've lost interest. It has become too much of a circus. But that's my opinion ofcourse.

Off-topic: isn't it great to discuss new releases like this again? I missed that.

You mean like the new MOV re-issues in two different colors?

Early FTD vinyl releases are in high demand and as a result command hefty price tags. And the FTD market behaves just ike every other market (high demand meets low supply / expensive production --> rising / high prices). The only way for FTD to address this issue is by increasing supply or by offering a suitable substitute. And they're doing just that. In fact, they've done it for a while now (From Elvis Presley Boulevard (a straight re-press on black vinyl), Moody Gold).

The fact that we're having this conversation right now, was to be expected. We'd have a different, yet equally agitated, discussion, had the label decided to issue an identical second pressing of the album

Personally I try to steer clear of MOV or any other run-off-the-mill re-issue, which usually works out just fine. But I don't mind the occassional FTD re-issue since I consider the collector's label to be a limited time affair anyway and since I still enjoy being a part of this community.